Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Seeking Clarity? The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. contact with some ugly, amphibious* "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. But other observers disagree. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. The cartographer took all such factors into account. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). some 8.6 light years from earth. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: 7 0 obj The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts extraterrestrial visitors? Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi ancient Egypt.*. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The Dogon. either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from Whew! Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. Randi, James. Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. Used under aCreative Commons license. The Dogon. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org]
According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to stream Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? 1978. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Conversations With African thought. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j
in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. interpreter. Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Review. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Webplanet earth. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. Sagan, Carl. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. Paranormal, ed. [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Ancient WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Flim-Flam! Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired by Philip Coppens. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. ch. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Copyright 19922023. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The alleged visitors from outer space Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. The Dogon have a The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Bullard, Thomas. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. Knowledge of the stars is not important Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." 68-70. "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. Schroder, D.J., et al. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. Sirius. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Temple offered another line of reasoning. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." technological societies located on planet earth. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. 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