A cult? All three companies are registered in England & Wales with a registered office address of Unit 6 April Court, Sybron Way, Crowborough, TN6 3DZ . As long as false teaching exists in the world, you must be willing to meet this challenge if you are to be a pastor. They took half of my thyroid; I won't need any more medication, and there is now no trace of cancer in my body. "Of course the enemy wanted to silence my voice," said Caine. The reason is obvious. Christine Caine is wife to Nick, mother to Catherine and Sophia, author of Undaunted, and founder of The A21 Campaign, an antihuman trafficking organization striving to abolish slavery in the 21st century. Praise Jesus'. There was no big crisis of faith, she says, just a build-up of the pressures of life and the responsibilities that she carries. Isnt there a harlot in the lineage of Christ? . Anna, thank you for speaking up. Youre theology is very weak to non-existent if you believe these women have actually brought anything good to the masses. Not tell EVERYBODY ELSE but them. Response to correction reveals whether you are dealing with a brother or with a wolf. I dont recall anyone telling you to shut up and do as Im told, you my friend have a chip on your shoulder, and are having a hard time distinguishing between false gospel, womens rights, and your perceive notion of what is biblical and what isnt. I never said those ministries were okay. He just kept inviting me out with his team for coffee. In this post, we will consider what pastors and congregations are supposed to do in response to such persons who emerge in their midst. Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. The scripture tells us that we ought to have in mind the best interests of both the flock and the false teachers. What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save? This latter text is significant because of the parallel to 1 Corinthians 5. 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? perverted and sinful, being self-condemned (Titus 3:11) I had to really get to a place where I felt Id made good headway in living a shame-free life, to be able to put the stuff that Ive learnt in writing. Hi Amy, is it possible to add an edit feature to site? It is for God to judge and not for people. "Some of my most precious ministry moments happened in those waiting rooms and hospitals," says Caine. Its sad and disappointing that this site calls for us to throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore Christines call for us to keep winning souls for Christ. (I mean, isnt that the point?) The speaker began to define abuse as "something that endangers a child physically or psychologically through neglect or emotional, physical or sexual mistreatment.". Its taken her a lifetime, but world-travelling preacher, author and rescuer of trafficking victims, Christine Caine, is finally free from shame. Maybe you should try reading the word again. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. You have yet to back up with scripture how what you are doing is the appropriate way of handling false teachers. Loved the circle maker. Every woman, girl on the planet is a daughter of the most high king, made in Gods image. Well said. God bless. 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. Christine heads the organisation A21, rescuing young women from sexual slavery and abuse, and helping them to build a new sense of their value and worth. was the author of this article abused as a child and had Jesus heal their heart? We strive to bring His word to people! And if a wolf pulls me from the ocean and I move on to someone better, because the wolf is more concerned with their next prey, then I am still saved. The reality is that while these religions are easily identifiable in places like the Congo, Haiti and Mongolia, they arent so easily identified here. I just remember holding that toilet brush and doing it as unto God with a passion. It was unarguably one of the "busiest and biggest seasons" of her life but Caine notes that she held on to faith during the entire process because she had no other resource. Read what the real women of God did in scripture, neither Cain nor Meyer fit the model. You are not confronting directly, and you know it. Has the author of this article ever listened to Christine Caine? It is this which gives them away. Are you kidding? Not every purveyor of false teaching is a lackey of the Devil. Has the author of this article suddenly become God and we are unaware of it? He takes the trials and tests and turns them into a testimony." Christine Caine. What was Yahwehs word for them repent, return or you will be judged. Yes I agree with that, those women who followed the call of God, were and are obedient to God are a treasure in the church, good and Noble women that hear and follow their Master, not the worldly ones that ensnare the gullible, the undiscerning, the ones too lazy to read scripture, those are led astray by these false teachers. Christine Caine and Victoria Osteen, from Lakewood Church , join Laurie Crouch on TBN's Praise in Jerusalem. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? Im truly confused and wondering. I am curious to know the biblical basis for those who are unmarried to not be able to minister? Home Christian Church. We report on news and give our opinion on topics such as church, family, sexuality, discipleship, pop culture, and more! Yoga. She travels without her husband! Pluease! There was this dark secret going on. Her vision is to help people overcome the obstacles, hurdles and challenges of life and maximize their God-given potential and purpose. Pastrix Christine Caine from hereticalHillsong ChurchAustraliais a teacher that the serious Christian should steer clear of. Calling out a false teacher? It was very difficult for my family in the early days to cope with. Spoke at Bethel Church, delivered there a false testimony and strongly unbiblical teachings. Beth Moore teaches the same thing, but oh my goodness! When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. Her work is a testimony of the . To believe a womans place is smaller than a mans is at best silly and at worst disingenuous to what God offers. Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers? This is so dumb. Somehow I doubt theres much of that going on. ! She loves to read, swim in the sea, play netball and lift weights with her dad. You can have a life beyond your past. In (Luke 11:35) (skopeo) is translated take heed.. Gods Word and his truth are more important than how you feel about it. As I have confessed elsewhere, I have been in this position before. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds (2 John 10-11). Whats your take on it? So get people into the lifeboat. But it is their heart God is looking at, are they teahcable, do they accept correction well. If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel. ~ Christine Caine. Its the old Creator/creature vs. continuity of being thing. We need to get that place where we can rest in Christ and get our identity and value in Him and not in media or other people. Hebrews 12:27 says: Only those things that can be shaken will be shaken so that those things that cannot be shaken shall remain. Were about to go back out into the real world again and what is the only thing that wasnt shaken? Surely not the Christ of scripture, for we come to the Father only through Him, without the Son theres no salvation, you cant earn it, work for it, it is an undeserved gift, we cant ever repay. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. As long as Im abiding in him, then the testimony is, he says: No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has it entered into any persons heart the things that God has for those that love him (1 Corinthians 2:19). Drive by poster, she would never back up her statement with scripture, as it would show the lack of discernment and ignorance of those that follow Copeland, Hagin, Osteen, Meyer and every other wolf that teaches that abomination. They called people out TO THEIR FACES, whether in speech or by letter. How can anyone hear the voice of the Holy Spirit with all these self proclaimed wise know it alls. And we won't play on people's fears. . Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth. John 17:17 Anything contrary to Gods Word produces tares. Christine Caine: Fix Your Eyes on Jesus For the New Year, Christine Caine shares a word of encouragement to help you grow in your faith. . But it meant a lot to me that he noticed so much more than that. Mans heart is deceitful, and beyond cure..Jeremiah 17:9. A woman was brought up to be in the home, and we weren't encouraged to read the Bible. (Acts 8:17-20,Matthew 6:9, Isaiah 57:8, Revelation 9:21). You mean judgemental? Contemplative Prayer When it happens over a long period of time, you then begin to think it's happening because of who you are. Moreover, the congregation must not behave in any way that might indicate endorsement of their false teaching. Thank you Karen for speaking the TRUTH! The priest was the one who read the Biblenot the congregation. The Lord convicted me about that through Ms Caines message, and I will forever be grateful to Him for the message and to her for being the vessel. So why do you judge then? I know Im glad Manny and Amy dont have a heaven or hell to put people in, because it sounds like theyd throw Lydia and Priscilla in. When you are calling names, questioning the faith of, or making assumptions about a person, you ARE making it personal. Youre sitting behind a keyboard, hiding behind the well others did the confronting for me argument, which just isnt in scripture. What Not to Say to Single Women in the Church. It was this last experience, she says, which prompted the writing of her latest bookHow Did I Get Here? Apollos was a man mighty in the scriptures who taught accurately about Jesus but who nevertheless was only familiar with Johns baptism. Where did you meet? You are absolutely right that the two have become blurred here in the westand if so probably all over the world. It also applies to those Christians that we would be willing to extend the hand of fellowship to outside of our church. by Christine Caine is available now, To hear the full interview listen to Premier Christian Radio at 8pm on 3 July or download The Profile podcast, The agnostic journalist Elle Hardy has been investigating how Pentecostalism is taking over the world. Yet for Scott, the negative impact of this event lingers. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. You will find multiple examples of Christine Caine teaching this way in the Additional Resources section at the end of this article. 5; 2 Cor. Neither should you. 11 Net worth of US$300 million. Paul has nothing remotely nice to say about those to purport to speak for Christ. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. And I wont get into the Catholic church and its covering up of abuse, or twisting of scripture to idolize the Pope and Mary. if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? There is one church and we should be united. New Age Pray for wisdom and for Jesus to control your anger. There are two kinds of false teachers: those who repent and those who do not. Is it helping these teachers repent? BTW.I love the fact that not only yourself, but many women on here reply by teaching which word she supposedly is teaching wrong. My friend you speak from emotion not wisdom, before you say one more thing, take out your bible, and compare what these women say to what scripture says, youll find their message is not anywhere in there. Once she did so, she became an upstoppable force. Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. 1 Peter 2:1, Dont grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. You dont personally know me and have gone on and on about what YOU think I do or do not know. Compassion overwhelmed me, and I knew why I was there. Relational challenges, staff challenges, the whole world shifting and it was like: Chris, do you want to keep your foot on the gas? I could cruise Ive got so much momentum from 30-odd years of serving Jesus. Eventually people who are following God will see that. Published on September 24, 2019. False teacher? I wanted to be open: drifting isnt always Im leaving Christianity, Im going to start doing sex, drugs, rock and roll Drifting can be as subtle as taking your foot off the gas, going: Its too costly to keep pressing on, Im just going to slow down a bit. We need to examine our hearts. Apology appreciated. What Christ? 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Beth Moore regularly travels to speaking and teaching engagements without her husband, as well as these others. That's why Hope 103.2 exists: to bring the message of hope to our community through a family-friendly, safe listening environment. I am so glad that Christ is my example of the Word in flesh not articles like this and authors of them. I began really working through issues God was bringing to light. Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences (all to co-ed audiences) just to name a few. All poster children of false teachers! People afraid to go to church.. The fear and our love of God compels us to defend His words, not mans. Or when Ive pointed something on their website that was completely false, the usual response? The Holy Spirit draws people to Jesus, whether we understand it or know it, its just a mystery. 107 quotes from Christine Caine: 'Sometimes when you're in a dark place you think you've been buried, but you've actually been planted.', 'God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. I have not said an iota about them, because I have not had any sort of personal interaction with them. God is beyond amazing, yet Meyer and Caine trample His commandments. With her husband Nick, Christine is a pastor at Hillsong . Dont mistake love of the world for the true love of God, His Son, and His scripture. Study of the two commandments Jesus left us would be better use of your time. It can come from things we have done, and from things others have done to us. The strawman argument youre trying to rope me into wont work with me. We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. Be kind and good. God does not want shepherds to be pugnacious and walking around all the time with a theological chip on their shoulder. You said Ill call it straight to their face. My point is you HAVENT. ~ Christine Caine. The hogwash that comes out of Caines mouth, tells me so. Jehovahs Witnesses Emergent Church One day all the walls that man created with denominations will fall and we will stand before our King and will most likely realize that none of us had it all rightas much as some of us might like to think. Kudos to the author for speaking out. Michelle, if the Christ you follow is the Christ that Christine Caine espouses, then its not the Christ of the Bible. If the message they are preaching are not the message of the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, they are not preaching truth and therefore are not bound by the rules for taking aside someone in the church. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. ( 1 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 2:20) 3. Christine decided to allow God to begin the process of healing and restoration. A follower of Jesus? I do NOT comment on hearsay, other peoples experiences, other peoples commentary or who heard about who said what to who when. Im the daughter of Greek immigrants. I encourage you to respect that just as you throw away everything that comes out of the mouths of Caine, Meyer, et al, please respect those who are able to throw away what they disagree with while also taking in what they find to be Biblical. Christine Caineis part of the rise of the Feminine Church of Eden. Then you cant judge anything outside of your sphere, and you judge me because I do make a judgement, I dont need to see C. Cain personally to hear one of her sermons or Joyce Meyer either, just pick up one of their books, watch one of their videos and their words either accuses or excuses their actions. Anyway be blessed ! For all others, we must be clear about our rejection of their dangerous teaching. As someone said, i too am glad it is the Father who will be judging us all He alone can see the intentions of our heart. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters. Local: 704-401-2432 The only teachers whom the church supports are those whose teaching is in accordance with the standard of divine truth (3 John 8). From Abused To Unashamed: Christine Caine's Story. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. 2:24-25). Subscribe to TCW's free email newsletter at this link for weekly updates and chances to win free books and music downloads. It comes across as VERY condescending, haughty, and insulting, as if you are laughing at someone who is too stupid to go elsewhere. When you first start being abused you think that what is happening to you is shameful and wrong, but when it happens repeatedly over a long period of time and no-one intervenes, you begin to think theres something wrong with you. It sounds broad, but you think of the kid left in a hospital it would be just like God to take an unnamed, unwanted, abused, adopted girl and go: Im going to redeem all of those fragments of your broken past and put them together as a tapestry of my grace. Your past will do one of two things: either shame, guilt, regret, condemnation will cause you to shut down, or God can take those fragments and give someone a future. They only care for themselves. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! Get encouraging stories and messages from Billy Graham delivered to your inbox every weekend. Id like to know.. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Angels, Demons, Spiritual Warfare If marriage alone (or in the case of a woman) who wants to minister or have a place in some form of leadership or influence in the church is only legitimized in ministering through the oversight of her husband, then that would appear to be highly problematic for 2 reasons: 1) What then is the role of Jesus as our heavenly/spiritual husband (as emphasized in Mathew 25/ Isaiah 54:5)? 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Im sure they used scriptures to defend themselveswhich ones did they use? What are our motives in the confrontation? As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. BGEA is a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. It amazes me all her supporters can only base their drive-by comments on dont judge, presupposing what God does while ignoring His written word, or the Love syndrome, we all need love, we must love, God is only about love, Jesus is only about love, youre not loving if youre judging. When I became engaged to my husband, Nick, I did a round of what I would call deep, intensive counseling. What did Jesus look like? Thats not in scripture. 2:6). Please show me where one called out wolf has been accused without documentation. During the many moments that she sat in waiting rooms, Caine also questioned why some people had it worse than her and why waiting rooms are not seen as ministry opportunities by many. Im an unwanted kid, second generation migrant, marginalised. To fail to do this is ministerial malpractice and harmful to Gods people. I dont believe it. They want to judge the world because it makes them feel better about their sad little lives. I think this is a site for pharisees. Pray tell how? Mary was who we worshiped and the saints more than anything. Here are the lessons the Church needs to learn, The Profile: In-depth interviews with hundreds of inspiring Christians. Zip it!! The key issue is how we respond to correction. If u cant speak life. We have examples in scripture where bona fide believers are the source of error in the church. We have to undergo a process of restoration to have the wounds of our soul healed, and to allow Jesus to touch those dark places. And I have never heard them condemn anyones teaching like they are being condemned here. If Im going to follow him, Ive got to deny myself, take up my cross. till seven times? If they persist despite the warnings and either dont have a husband to oversee them, have no proper oversight from a husband who has abdicated his duty, or who just are or are married to a discernment klutz, then various scriptures say either to admonish them strongly a third time and/or to break fellowship. I dont see you recommending ANYONE else. So thats why it comes across as if you just want to brag Im SO right, and they are SO wrong! Show me how anonymously talking about people behind their backs is the Biblical way of correcting or confronting. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. Futurism/Transhumanism The doctrine Christine Caine subscribes to and teaches is Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) heresy. You know the degree to which you're willing to embrace the pain of recovery is the degree to which your knee will heal. Calling out error in the body is not pride. Over the years I've had to fight to renew my mind to a place where I understand at the core of my being that Jesus is trustworthy. We are supposed to be out there winning people to Christ the end time is near. I do NOT comment on hearsay. (?) I was sexually abused by several men in my life at a very young age. This is so dumb. >. I will NOT throw out that message.. Wolf? Caine says her treatment became a "series of tests, ultrasounds, more tests" but it was during this time that she was able to see her situation through a different perspective, she explains. Why dont you pick up scripture and compare what she says to what the word of God says? He is this hope that we have; nothing else is going to do it. Stage 1 or stage 4 cancer was not going to impact the ability of the surgeon to cut my throat I wanted to be delivered from this situation, but ten weeks later, I discovered God wanted me to walk through this.". A word of advice to those erroneously holding unto these beliefs, read your Bibles, put down your favorite idol for a second and read what Jesus said about: False teachers, false brethren, faulty theology, and the biggest of them all the coming judgement on these purveyors of lies and on the whole world itself. Amo a Joyce, amo a Christine, a Beth ??? We are commanded to come out from her. 6. The masses you speak about want nothing to do with that, they want to have their ears tickled by false teaching. I understand you want her husband overseeing what she saysbut traveling without your husband for work is not, in it self, a sin. Names that comes to mind are cult leaders like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and David Koresh, that ended up promoting themselves as God. 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