The N55 is a pretty solid engine. the 340 is the upgraded 335 and it has been 10 years so yea its about time BMW release an engine as good as the N54 (power wise). So much so that I'd prefer it over the N55. VS - Stage 3 (E Series N54/N55) Rev 3 . It looks like the one you swapped in is lighter weight with all those cut outs. Appreciate 0 Quote 04-23-2022, 05:40 PM #5: turnsignalslol. We uploaded the update 10 minutes ago! B58 M2 is the perfect combo IMO. If youre dead set on an e90 find a late model with one already in it. As we all know, the N54 is the german equivalent of the 2JZ. It would probably be much cheaper to buy an 328i for a swap than a 335i and pay more money for a faster engine that won't be used. Guys spent 3 weeks for making complete result. Stage 2. Its not worth it at all. E90 / E91 / E92 / E93Model Year: 2006 - 2011. Such a better motor than the N55. Regular price $49.95 View. Use a 5/64" (2mm) flat blade screwdriver to "push" the connector from the back of the socket housing. Very interested in seeing more info on this build. Also I made a choice with b58, because I thought in that time that with supra release tuners would pay much more attention for this platform. However, they only offer products for 2013+ N55 engines. He must be an electronics genius to make every system on the car work as stock with that swap B58. Items for everyone including white elephants. He must be an electronics genius to make every system on the car work as stock with that swap B58. Yes it was done to the T at the end but only because the parts were outsourced dead cheap and it still cost the person $10k with everything. 1. I wouldn't call this a "swap" as you can't just swap the engine. We realised that the original 325i had a thicker inner cover in the rear wheel arches to reduce road noise. I haven't found any definitive answers for this question but how interchangeable are the N55s from different years and chassis, so I was hoping the wisdom of the forum could illuminate what would work with what. G22Model Year: 2020 + Previous Generations; F32 / F33Model Year: 2013 - 2019. That doesn't sound right. Bringing the BMW community together. By the time you're done, you prolly could buy a 335 twice over. G82Model Year: 2021 + Previous Generations; F82Model Year: 2014 - 2020. Anyone know if they offer the build kit for us to build the trans ourselves? FIRST b58 swapped e36 470HP 700+NM DRIFT 34,728 views Sep 22, 2021 857 Dislike Share Save Ostap Demkiv 256 subscribers B58B30A 2018 M140i engine 403bhp 700Nm 100RON tune @afterfix SCS Delta GDI6. Rep. 19. G22Model Year: 2020 + Previous Generations; F32 / F33Model Year: 2013 - 2019. E90 / E91 / E92 / E93Model Year: 2006 - 2011. A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. Post Reply Thread Tools: Search this Thread 07-26-2020, 12:19 AM #1: hon2bmw . The second N52 mod we're discussing is a performance intake. Vader Solution. 4 doors is 2 doors too many. E90 / E92Model Year: 2007 - 2013. Mine was a 6-speed. any swap is possible with enough money, the question is : is it worth it? Also, this is going to be a 5 figure cost swap. I had the hardtop coupe version of that car (e92). VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I also saw someone with a 2015 320xi pre-lci manage to have a B58 swapped into his F30. Do you have more photos of the swap process? 4. N55 Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust / Bolt-ons / Tuning. Car is a manual, would have been even better to have a B58 DCT! It would be one hell of a sleeper. Obviously that is an impossibility and we should do our best to prevent any further misinformation from spreading. Appreciate 0 Quote Do all of those fixes for 4k and drive the crap out of it. Stock B58 Flywheel wont fit, it'll rub against the starter. Read up on the N20 timing chain failures; one of the worst engines ever designed, IMO. I want to know how I can fit the G80 grilles to my F80. I'm not a big fan of E90's. Where else to find out about the problems with such a replacement for X-drive. Upstate Performance and Automotive Repair. Also we lost 10 days on delivering new cooling pipes instead broken, which were damaged during delivering of swap kit. 4. Everything should bolt up to the 435 correct? You can't swap in a b58 into anything older due to how bmw changed communication lines/data bus lines. :). Try and keep the blade of the screwdriver on the rubber insulation while pushing to avoid puncturing the wires. Anything is possible, just time and money. The swap will be very expensive and for that cost you'd be better off putting that money towards buying a car with a B58 in it. I am just curious if it would be possible to engine swap a 2008 E92 320i with the more modern turbo N20/B48 engine. . Until tuning gets WAY further down the line, no one is going to be making big power on these motors without. From $650 View. Have you noticed any difference in torque delivery because of the flywheel change? Edit: Got my answer, thanks for your help! Poor choice for a race car ??? VS - HeadPort Plugging Kit N54 N55 S55 B58. shouldn't be too bad considering that the B58 sits on the F chassis, B58 block is pretty similar to the S58. IF, and I do mean IF the B58 is better than the N54, by transitive property the B58 is then better than the 2JZ. 2021+ Toyota Supra B58 A90 | 6 Port Top Mount Turbo Manifold SKU FR-TM-A90-B58-T4 Maximize Power and Spool with the 2021+ Toyota Supra B58 A90 6 Port Top Mount Turbo Manifold NEED HELP? We have tons of content for the N55, and we're always adding more. Tags 320i e90 e92 engine swap n20. JavaScript is disabled. Theyre infamous for this. I'd rather the N55 between the two (N54 vs N55) I know you can do more mods and tuning with the N54, but reliability matters more to me personally. It was a post on the M2 page on Facebook. It would be a pure race car build at that point, which, if you're doing such a thing, is a heavy chassic and poor choice for a race car anyway. LOVED it right up until a guy nailed the front end and totaled it. Mind you once you are done you will probably need preventative replacement parts on the engine that you have sourced second hand and that's several k more to bring it to 'new' condition. But I support this swap 10000%. New Member. For these guys it wasnt challenging, also my car was fourth or fifth with swapped engine, which made by their hands). M4. Without a doubt. Vader Solution . I remember Terry saying somewhere that the factory fueling is capped at right around 400 whp and the only way around it is TBI, PI, Meth, etc. It would make more sense and be much easier to install a N52B30 from an older 1 or 5 series. Location: Hamburg Fire Co. Field House, 1127 South Fourth St, Hamburg, PA 19526. Is it viable? Of the eight BMWs I had, the M3 was my least favorite. A B58 with a DCT is what I always wanted the M2 to be. If something ever happens to my N55 I might consider this. I have personally witnessed a 318i transformed into a 325i on an e46 chassis and my gosh there are so many differences from brakes, suspension, diff, engine, tranny, electronics, cluster, steering update, seats, even rear parcel shelf where rear speakers sit is different material, wiring, interior bits and pieces. Built by KK-Performance. Cannot found anything on the web. Car is a manual, would have been even better to have a B58 DCT! However once you start upgrading the turbo, even though it's a closed deck block, it doesn't have the forged international components. BMW 1 Series Coupe Forum / 1 Series Convertible Forum (1M / tii / 135i / 128i / Coupe / Cabrio / Hatchback) (BMW E82 E88 128i 130i 135i), 135i Turbo Engine (N54 / N55), Exhaust and Drivetrain Modifications, https://view.imirus.com/290/document/13379/page/28. Welcome to N54Tuning, your one stop shop for all your BMW Tuning and BMW Performance Modifications for the N54, N55, N20, N26, S55, B58/B48 and other BMW platforms! Can pwg parts be swapped over to ewg engine, Cts turbo xdrive lowering spring set **new product**, New here! Cool idea. Drives: '20 . Rather than swap in a stock transmission I went ahead and did an HP70 swap out of a diesel 430d. Tags 340i downpipe jb4 mod turbo. Allows for less friction for a quicker revving engine at the cost of cylinder strength. Stock turbos, the B58 is better. . It's not even sleeved. 4. I don't know what the point would be to swab a b58 and use a standalone when going to an m54b30 turbo with standalone should be a little easier. Same with the flywheel as mentioned above. I know that B58 has a better intercooler and overall engine cooling, which allows it to make more efficient power. Does anyone know if you can put a BMW B58 engine into a 2011-2013 BMW 335i coupe (N55 engine), Also curious if this would work for the 2007-2011 335i coupe. N55 is my preferred engine in the E92 lineup. E81 / E82 . Um how to say if your goal is to make the 335 engine work in 320 body shell, then you can definitely do it. This replacement charge pipe features all-aluminum construction, high-quality glossy black finish, CNC machined flanges, 2 optional 1/8" NPT methanol bungs, OEM style mounting hardware for a direct fit, and a lifetime warranty. I'm not dead set on an E90, I'm dead set on a E92, E90 - has 4 doors E92 - has 2 doors E93 - convertible. Buy it. CALL A PRODUCT EXPERT NOW AT 602-437-2101 Install Effort $2,449.99 Wastegate Flange Selection Dual 44mm Wastegate Flanges + $2,599.99 I'm surprised by the flywheel picture. 8. I replaced it with an M3 (e90). Also, apart from a couple of crappy attachments in the N54 that can fail, the N54 isn't an engine that needs to be swapped with anything. What do you mean it's bot sleeved? I have done this conversion on my own e91 320 lci since finding an lci e91 n54 proved very difficult and I find non lci rather dated in comparison. Except the M2 is actually a very nice looking car. That is impressive! Laverne: '18 F80 Base 6MT | Paul's E85 | Stock Turbos | Kies Hub | FBOs | 7sec 60-130 | 11.7@124 (Sold in Feb). so i want to do an engine swap and get the b58 on my 428i! The main candidate for an engine swap is the B58 powerplant. E-Chassis DCT Swap $6,500.00 Tax included. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 5. I wonder how difficult the swap is, considered it when I had mine. If it's an M/T car i'm sure they got it out of a M240i and not a Supra or a G-series or something. Before we begin, I have an F31 Touring, which was only offered in the US with the N20/N26, B48 or N47. Held rain or shine 7 am to 2 pm. JavaScript is disabled. The B58 has not bested the N54. I would reach out to them as a resource, they'll probably be ablee to provide some insight into the process, even if they worked with an S55 rather than a B58. N20, N26, B46, B48 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications, https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh.php?t=1548060. Ok saying that the N54 is german 2jz is wrong as the 2JZ-GTE is actually German LOL. Can I swap to an S58? Don't miss our N55 400+hp guide or N55 engine problems article. pretty sure the motor and setup would fit, just would be custom and expensive. recently blew up my stock HP50 transmission in my 340i. Or a Supra if automatic is your thing. B58 In an E39 Is it possible? TF-Works BMW E30 K-Swap Kit - Phase 1. ! Has anyone try or do a b58 swap into a e30? It would require WAY to much work to even be remotely worth it. Is it worth it? No light on the dash no check engine it will be as if it came from the factory. I'm sure it'd still be a nightmare but less of a nightmare than a b58 swap. On an e90, Everything is dearer. Second Lieutenant . I thought about s55 firstly, but lots of guys said that it would be much harder to install and tuning will cost more too. I do love the M240i but a 335i E92 has been my dream car for yeeaaarrss. according to leebmann24 , 89 kg for the 70 and 81 kg for the 50, great writewe need more these kind of write ups on the forum, The F20 was never equipped with an HP70 at the factory, unlike the F30 and the like. You'd need some aftermarket mods as well. E90 / E92Model Year: 2007 - 2013. Once the car was completed, we took it for a test and then took an original 325i for a test. If you like the e9x, but an n54 version thats been a victim of rod bearing failure or turbos that need replacing. No need for a b58. N55, S55, B58 none of them have dethroned the king, There are a few threads in this forum showing n54s with no meth just FBO e85 mix with inlets that are hitting over 500whp, S55 did, but its in a different price bracket lol, N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i, http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho1213066&page=4. com [Download RAW message or body] Hi Daniel, On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Kiper <dani I feel like it would have been cheaper to get a Supra and then dump a few upgrades but very excited to see how this goes if you ever find more info on it! I also saw someone with a 2015 320xi pre-lci manage to have a B58 swapped into his F30. IF, and I do mean IF the B58 is better than the N54, by transitive property the B58 is then better than the 2JZ. Youll probably beat any b58 any day of the week. B58 done right is a much better power-plant. Its way better and stiffer than the f30, You're talking $10,000 on the swap alone! Thank you for information. Location: Los Angeles, CA and Phoenix, AZ. 1. Whoever owns this car is my hero. M4. This motor is very easy to remove,,,plenty of room in the engine compartment,,,,,hopefully I can do the job in the aloud factory time limit of 16 hour,,,,,today of 6 hours of work,,,,I removed the engine and trans,,,removed the old engine,,,swapped over the new engine,,,,and swapped over the intake manifold,alternator,a/c compressor and starter That is impressive! You're a fucking G for taking the time to write this out for the rest of us that are inevitably gonna blow our HP50. It is not financially viable. Now this is interesting. I don't have either ATM. 95C9EB54-ACFF-4E23-AD5D-8C082172A175.jpeg. B58 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications. Sum of all the parts worth way more than what a used 335i is worth. M markusmarkus Registered 2018 M240i Joined Jul 22, 2008 Definitely something to go with for X-drive just on the ease of install/programming alone. Different transmission and differential. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. n52 also had this. That's pretty cool. I'd love to hear the nitty gritty details about getting ECU to play nice. Edit: (also asking this mostly because I'm curious about 328i and 335i differences excluding the engine). But I don't know if that exists yet, and many if not most features in the car would work after besides the engine. Refreshments available. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Former Technician // E90 335D // G20 330i, BMW Lvl 1 Master Technician, HV Specialist, Gen 5 Certified. hello im fairly new to this car thing too.. i recently purchased my 428I about 7 months ago and im not going to lie i love my car and the n20 engine has been very reliable to me but to be honest i want to go on with my build and proceed with more power bc the n20 can only hold so much power before it blows up. Hi guys, after an M5 F10 full swap been done, just got an B58 of an 140i ready to swap. Home / N55. BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > Regional Forums > Australia > BMW E90 320i engine swap to 335i. Great to know about the Pure transmissions. E90 / E91 / E92 / E93Model Year: 2006 - 2011. Just buy a 335? May have been posted elsewhere, but is the actual limit of the stock automatic transmission on the 340i? Vader Solution. So even inner wheel arches on a chassis that looked identical from the outside is different between the models. Wow Awesome write up! Provided you can get traction, it would chomp a lot of cars. I'd entertain the science of installing a B58 engine into a 2010 e61 535xi wagon (N54 engine) 1 It was used in pretty much everything BMW offered, from small coupes up to large SUVs, which is a testament to how versatile this engine is. Obviously that is an impossibility and we should do our best to prevent any further misinformation from spreading. I would love for it to be true, n54 engine prices would come down making it a delicious engine swap candidate like RB's and JZ's. E46Model Year: 2000 - 2006. Expecting to get a typical response to this question like "Just buy a 335i" but I digress. Reliability + performance. Does anyone know weather or not the B58 shares the same engine mounts as the M54B30? I think SC_B5X was pushing around 650whp? 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