expand_more. Neil and Razzle were on their way home from the local liquor store. When Neil 's. Its quite possible some scenes were cut where hes more than just a smirking guy in a couple of brief scenes. -Rolling Stone, Not all of the band members visited the New Orleans set during the filming, but they did speak extensively with their onscreen counterparts. With a pedigree like this, it's easy to assume the movie is an honest look in the grimy, sticky lives of the self-professed "world's most notorious rock band." But Vince did have sex with Zutauts girlfriend that year. In 2017, Leon said that Lee had been courting him for the proto-Motley Crue, but the guitarist was uninterested because of the presence of Sixx he thought Sixx was a terrible musician. Vince talks of giving a young Axl Rose vocal tips before the two angrily collided after Guns n Roses guitarist Izzy Stradlin assaults Sharise. Yes. -The Dirt AutobiographyIt's important to note that Doc McGhee's partner, Doug Thaler, was cut from the movie. According to ultimateclassicrock.com, Thaler was cut from the movie in the interest of "keeping the narrative moving". Cut some pale lettuce leaves from a lettuce head and put the cut end in red or blue-colored water. The new Mtley Cre movie 'The Dirt' (available on NetFlix) is surprisingly accurate, but it still gets at least 13 things wrong. Yes. He became Randy Rhoads' replacement in Quiet Riot, played with Dokken, and has fronted a number of bands of his own. Did Cirie go too far by bringing family matters into the game? Following Neils departure, Motley Crue recruited Corabi of the band the Scream to be their new vocalist. According to the Mtley Cre autobiography The Dirt, the highly explicit sex scene involving Tommy Lee (Machine Gun Kelly) did happen in real life. Doc McGhee Didnt Meet The Band At Their Apartment Don't blame her or Liz Harris for this. She accused him of giving her hepatitis C. All of this insanity got about 10,000 times more attention than anything the band did in the Nineties, but theres not even a single mention of her name in the movie. Tommy Lee was sued for assaulting a photographer in 2013, and as E Online notes, was sentenced to six months in jail for spousal battery in 1998 after a particularly nasty scuffle with Pamela Anderson. In real life, Motley Crue securing their music rights was a long and heated battle. In the book: John Corabi, former lead singer of The Scream, is brought into Mtley Cre after Vince quits in 1992. It broke up because he was too much of a py who didn't just say, 'Hey guys! The Dirt movie seems to be in line with the true story, depicting this as it's been reported. It's true that McGhee is the more colorful character of the two just ask Ultimate Classic Rock about that one time he tried to smuggle 40,000 pounds of marijuana into the U.S. Honestly, I hate to say this, but I think they got every fu**ing thing perfect.". Let's take a look at how The Dirt ignored huge chunks of Motley Crue's true story. The movie focuses primarily on the first 15 years of the band, during which time both their music and debauchery reached its peak. Directed by: This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google He is only seen briefly. 1 album very shortly after. What's more, the film is also based on the band's collective autobiography of the same name, which is notorious for its no-holds-barred look at rock star debauchery. But Nikki didnt like his attitude and Mick Mars thought he was a hippie, which was basically a death sentence for a member of Mtley Cre. In 1989 Performance magazine again named him Personal Manager Of The Year. "This ordeal is something no parent should have to go through," said Neil following her death (People). Nothing. Also, there's the fact that the catalyst for this change was an "I must do something with my life" epiphany during his six-month prison sentence for assaulting Pamela Anderson, so yeah, sounds like something Lee might have vetoed from the script pretty early on. This actually happened in 1998, after Generation Swine tanked, and only following a long, nasty battle with label head Sylvia Rhone. However, a fact-check of The Dirt revealed that Tommy actually met Heather backstage at an REO Speedwagon concert when his accountant introduced them. Based on the bestselling autobiography from Mtley Cre, the film is an unflinching tale of success and excess as four misfits rise from the streets of Hollywood to the heights of international fame. In advanced cases of ankylosing spondylitis, the inflammation can lead to the formation of new bone that causes various sections of the spine to fuse in a rigid, immobile position. It was extremely tense, but Neil eventually agreed to stop by the studio and hear their in-progress record. 13. Busy Phillips Is Not Like a Regular Mom, Shes a Cool Mom, Theres nothing wrong with Busy Phillips being cast as Mrs. George in the upcoming, In Search of Tom and Katies Bubba Painting, Maybe punting on the larger plot can be forgiven if we get a sweet. Though Sixx and the blinded fan were both quite amiable, the proceedings were pretty heated and difficult, and the case ultimately ended in a mistrial. They met at the Dennys specifically to talk about forming a new band. John is not allowed in the room at this time. In the book, Nikki reflects upon the event, writing, "For ten years solid, we had been invincible." (The book later notes that Nikki made threats against a sex worker, and spoke twice about his. After Neil left the band, they hired John Corabi as their new singer and cut a new album that they supported with a tour. When Neil left/was fired in 1992, Motley Crue was trying to follow their most commercially successful album Dr. Feelgood at an impossible hour. That's the title of Richard Thaler's most recent book: Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics. When the filmmakers were trying to figure out how to recreate the scene, they hired a real stripper and she suggested that actor Machine Gun Kelly actually puke on her, which apparently made it into the movie. In the movie: In the bands roach-filled abode mere steps from the nightclub Whisky a Go Go, Nikki suggests the name X MASS, for shock value. But we made a great record and we went out on that tour and there was fucking no one there, dude., Nikki Sixx Slices Open His Own Arm, Then Blames His Mother. Instead, she accidentally called her Jessica (Bullwinkle's real name) on the phone. The Nine Years Between 1996 And 2005 Isnt Some Amorphous Blob of Time I dont actually recall that story in the book beyond reading it, Sixx toldRolling Stone. The guys come off as. Motley Crue and Leon went their separate ways, but the guitar player didn't exactly fade into obscurity. They Didnt Meet Vince Neil at a Backyard Party In the book: Nikki and Mick first meet at a liquor store. 4. Lee married Baywatch actress Pamela Anderson in 1995 after knowing her for just four days. Tom Zutaut told the driver to stop. Freelance singer, songwriter, 1972. Career Band member, songwriter Elves/Elf, Cortland, 1967-1972. The new lineup recorded one album together, 1994s self-titled release. "Mtley Cre say something about the fact that I snorted a line of ants one time," said Ozzy. If youre curious about how The Dirt memoir differs from its new Netflix counterpart (featuring Pete Davidson as an A&R rep and sudden movie star Machine Gun Kelly as Tommy Lee), read on. In the movie: The whole band is at Vinces mansion and a light-hearted scene ensues, providing moderate comedy and brief plot development chiefly, we find out that Vinces wife Sharise is pregnant just before he drunkenly drives off with Razzle (Max Milner). The real Mick Mars told actor Iwan Rheon, who portrays him in the film, that "it feels like your whole spine is turning into slow-drying concrete, slowly pulling you down" (Rolling Stone). In the movie: Nikki, Tommy, and Mick reunite and head to a boating-themed watering hole frequented by Vince after the death of his 4-year-old daughter, Skylar. In the film, after only the briefest of previous conversations, Elektra Records executive Tom Zutaut meets Sixx at a bar and tells him the label is handing over the rights to the bands publishing. That's why it's not exactly a surprise the movie doesn't mention the time that they turned in such a miscalculated product it got them banned by MTV. The split happened after an argument between him and the other members of the band which the singer claims should have been defused by CRE 's manager at the time, Doug Thaler. The whole thing is also based on a book that bassist Nikki Sixx now claims has at least one story in which he writes that he pretty much raped a woman was possibly greatly embellished or made up. He also claimed he was on drugs during the interviews with writer Neil Strauss and doesnt remember much of that time. Nikki has an out-of-body experience; he watches as a horde of fans who followed him to the hotel peer at his body as its being carried out on a stretcher. Though steeped in actual events, the moment is FICTION. The films depiction of the moment Motley Crue met their future manager, Doc McGhee, is FICTION - and the movie openly admits it. We do know that the Motley Crue bassist has a half-brother in real life. He also brought his partner, Doug Thaler. Doug's a good guy, and it's kinda shitty he got cut from this movie, but I think this is as good a version as any. This moment gets classified as FICTION, but only due to semantics. Ozzy Osbourne has always claimed to have no memory of the famous story in The Dirt movie and book where he sniffs a line of ants in front of the band. Driscoll co-founded Elf in 1967 alongside Ronnie James Dio, David Feinstein, Doug Thaler, and Nick Pantas. I drove Tommy to meet Nikki, and they wanted me to join the band before they even had a name. Skylar endured six operations and extensive chemotherapy and radiation treatments over the course of the next four months, but it didn't stop the disease. Doug was a good guy and its kinda shitty he got cut from this movie, but I think this is as good a version as any. At this point, Thaler seen briefly standing by Doc at backstage door literally vanishes from the screen. Advertising Hall of Famer Linda Kaplan Thaler loves desperate clients because they will let her do anything. "Nikki snorted some ants, so Ozzy snorted these ants, but then Ozzy peedand then licked up the pee." While Sixx himself has openly discussed his traumatic childhood, the incident in question has largely gone unexamined. Where 1980s action movies have training montages, this film has one that's dedicated entirely to destroying hotel rooms and terrorizing people. We had two managers- we had Doc McGhee and Doug Thaler. If there's one thing we learned from The Dirt, it's that it's shockingly easy for a rock band to negotiate the rights to their own music. Instead, Doug Thaler was the unfortunate recipient of the faux pas. Really, cop cars only seem to turn up for the real life-and-death stuff namely, when Vince Neil crashes his car and kills the Hanoi Rocks drummer Razzle. Out of money, and their music out of fashion, in 1981 Mtley Cre recorded a debut album that set the glam-metal ball rolling. In the book: Manager Doc McGhee signs on to help the Cre after the bands first manager, the psychotic yuppie Allen Coffman, goes AWOL. It Erases Their Original Lead Singer From History A fact-check of The Dirt Netflix movie reveals this to be true. He also brought his partner, Doug Thaler. Mick is already a father by the time Mtley Cre kicks off, and is romantically linked to a woman referred to as The Thing and a backup singer named Emi Canyn. In the book, Nikki reflects upon the event, writing, For ten years solid, we had been invincible. (The book later notes that Nikki made threats against a sex worker, and spoke twice about his desire to kill his ex-wife Brandi.) Still, while Anderson is noticeably absent from the film, in real life she certainly left her impression on more than one band member as Vince Neil is happy to tell everyone in his autobiography Tattoos & Tequila, Anderson briefly dated him before she got together with Lee. In the movie: Tom Zutaut (good ol Pete Davidson) appears as an amalgamation of different executives, sometimes clashing with manager Doc McGhee (when Elektra is trying to get them to finish their album Theatre of Pain and get back on the road) and later Nikki (when Tom tells Mtley Cre they wont do good on their record deal and will be retaining the rights to the bands songs). The real Doc McGhee says that he never met Nikki Sixx's mother. 14. They Didnt Fire Doc McGhee Over An Incident With Nikkis Estranged Mother Sarah Michelle Gellar Remembers That Time Pedro Pascal Was on. In the book: Vince quits the band for a few days after physically fighting with Nikki. "And I have got no, absolute no recollection of doing that.". on with the goddamn show. On his way to a nearby liquor store with Razzle, drunk driver Vince gets in a car accident, killing the Hanoi Rocks member and causing brain damage in the two passengers of the other car involved. When Neil 's. Later, Tom joins Geffen Records, signs a little band named Guns n Roses, and tries to get Nikki to produce their first record. It broke up because he was (too) much of a pussy who didn't just say, 'hey guys let's take a week off and come back with cooler heads.'" "He called me an hour later and said I was out of the band!. In the movie: A starstruck Tommy meets a disillusioned Nikki after a show for Nikkis soon-to-be-defunct band London. Motley Crues highly anticipated biopic The Dirt is streaming into homes worldwide thanks to Netflix. ODean Peterson, at the time simply called ODean, was the bands first singer. The actual Mtley Cre with replacement singer John Corabi. Whether he quit or was fired has been a point of contention for many years (even the film leaves the course of events ambiguous). He invites Tommy to try out as his drummer even though the only experience he mentions is playing in his high school marching band. In the movie: The movie is very select about the other rock stars it brings into frame. By submitting your email, you agree to our Terms and Privacy Policy and to receive email correspondence from us. In 1987, Nikki Sixx overdosed on heroin and was declared legally dead on the way to the hospital. Its nun versus AI in Damon Lindelofs new series. Near the end, McGhee surprises Sixx by bringing his mother to the lobby of his hotel. Corabi was still involved at that point and briefly thought hed remain as a second guitarist, but that made little sense and he was quickly pushed out. He crafted his managerial identity to be the kind of manager he felt he would have needed during his musician years, and as a result, he was the guy who was fully prepared to get in the faces of record company executives to get Motley Crue the best possible deals. Nikki Sixx said that "a certain CEO of a certain company" refused to make the film if the raunchy opening scene was included. The 2001 book ends with the new lineup of Mtley Cre recording their 2000 album, New Tattoo. 8. The saga of rock band Mtley Cre is one of the most dramatic in rock 'n' roll history, mixing on-tour shenanigans with episodes of death and self-destruction. He got sober after rehab but never mended his relationship with his mother before she passed away. However, his appearance lasts for a blink of an eye, and while the band admits he's a great guy, they then remove him from the movie so they're both represented by Thaler's co-manager, Doc McGhee. Donna Perry is being held on $1 million bond in Spokane County jail and declined to make a court appearance on murder charges this week. They made a tabloid-hyped sex tape and Lee served six months in prison for assaulting her. The BU Harmonics were never officially eliminated. He got out to help Honey collect her teeth. Fan turnout was poor while the band toured to support the release, a FACT that the film got right. Nikki had seen them in concert and was impressed. Nikkis love interest is heroin itself (the sweetest thing Ive ever known), made clear in a hazy sequence in which the image of a naked, faceless woman melds with that of a needle on a tray. They threw him out and history has basically forgotten that he ever existed. In 2019, Sixx was in hot water over a story in The Dirt (the book) where he described a party that culminated in him and Tommy Lee committing sexual assault on an unwary woman by fooling her into switching partners mid-act. "There is a scene where she is calling me and I cant pick up the phone. However, at least according to the book Cemetery Gates: Saints and Survivors of the Heavy Metal Scene, which describes the story in detail, this one is a FACT. Join Facebook to connect with Doug Thaler and others you may know. Honda Classic Wagers: Value Pick To Win Tournament. There's a lot to celebrate about the movie the music is very important, the music that we made is still important. The film stars Douglas Booth, Colson Baker, Daniel Webber, and Iwan Rheon. Let's take a week off and come back with cooler heads.' The Last Word: Nikki Sixx on Drugs, Groupies and What Dying Taught Him Theres no mention in the movie of flying knives at Nikkis apartment or a sick sexual circus during the Dr. Feelgood tour. Tommy Lee married Anderson in 1995 after knowing her for only four days. I cried. "The movie is definitely sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll," said Vince Neil. Goofier passages from the book were omitted, like when Mick gets hammered in Tokyo, puts on a Godzilla mask, smashes glasses, and tries to breathe fire out of his ass. Lets Do the Thing: How Online Were You in February 2023? When McGhee and the band fell out, they even asked Thaler to take over, which he agreed to do for a while. -Rolling Stone, Yes. When he initially approached the band, they were extremely suspicious and made him buy them many free meals throughout a long courtship. Tragic as the accident was, the trial of the case in 1988 was something completely different. Johns involvement with the band is used minimally in the script to highlight a low point for the group, and to underscore Vinces eventual reunion with his rock n roll family. This year's inductees include . Mick almost drowns in a beach nearby, after passing out among the waves. People were edgy, songs had to be scraped together, and no one was happy with how things were sounding. Due largely in part to Neils absence, though also partially because of the mainstream's changing musical tastes, Motley Crue was a commercial failure. Theres not even a hint that he tried to launch a solo career. The firestorm erupted on Twitter on Monday and then Davidson confirmed his ousting but had some things to say about production on the way out the door. Apart from all the more serious stuff that has landed them in hot water, they have been involved in some absolutely ridiculous lawsuits over their equally ridiculous behavior that has nevertheless hurt people. According to ultimateclassicrock.com, Thaler was cut from the movie in the interest of "keeping the narrative moving". It was a fellow named ODean Peterson who, according to Tommy Lee, had a voice somewhere between Ian Astbury of the Cult and Klaus Meine of the Scorpions. In the movie: John is seen but not heard in the movie, like during an MTV News clip that disses Vince, or later when John walks on stage for a lightly attended concert. With tensions high and bandmates arguing over musical direction, the singer soon departed the group. Mars, played by Iwan Rheon, turns to the camera and bluntly states, This didnt actually happen. The highly impressed Sixx hung on until the end, and the two resumed talking. When Mtley Cre joins the Bark at the Moon tour (after being kicked off a KISS tour for bad behavior), theyre exposed to Ozzy Osbournes particular brand of invincibility, as well as Sharon Osbourne. Minutes before the movie version of Mtley Cre take the stage at The Forum in Los Angeles, Neil has sex with Zutauts date in his dressing room as her leopard-skin bikini rests on the door handle. In the book: To kick off the recording of their third album, Vince hosts a barbecue at his mansion that runs for three or four days and nights. One is, "Ignore sunk costs; assume everyone else doesn't.". The bands members detail as much in the 2001 book The Dirt: Confessions of the Worlds Most Notorious Rock Band, co-written by Neil Strauss, which, after nearly a decade, is finally receiving a cinematic adaptation from Netflix. When the guys show up at the bar after getting Mick from the hospital 10 years in the future, they sit down and hash out a reunion over drinks and make sobby amends. While Mars did blow his future bandmates away, the event shown in the film is FICTION, at least according to Greg Leon. Neil's blood alcohol level was 0.17, well above California's then-legal limit of 0.10. He dragged her from the limo to the sidewalk, throwing her belongings next to her.Honey continued to call Lee's mother a c*nt and him a "spoiled little brat." The movie cuts straight from a tearful group hug at the fictional Vince Neil bar reunion right to their real-life manager Allen Kovac (playing himself) knocking on their dressing room doors shortly before a big arena concert. There was a sex tape. While its impossible to perfectly distill more than three decades worth of stories into 108 minutes without condensing or combining some events, The Dirt strives to capture the life and times of the band in the most honest way possible. Neil eventually rejoined the band in 1997 and Thaler was noticeably cut from Netflix's fully-authorized (yet semi-sanitized) biopic The Dirt, which Mtley Cre co-produced last year. Motley Crue Working on a Post-Dr. FeelgoodAlbum with Vince Neil. However, the scene did happen in real life. The Whole Pamela Anderson Thing Happened She dropped to the ground with her hand over her face. The only thing that slows the process down is the woman under the table trying to give him a surprise blowjob. But when they showed up, not only were they placed on the bill prior to all the other acts, but Bon Jovi were doing a full set and had pyro. Rogers, a zealot who is usually impervious to facts, finally woke up and found a clown show even too . As Ultimate Classic Rock reports, there's no proof that this kind of incident ever happened, so it makes sense that the scene was likely included to immediately establish Mars as a detached, cynical veteran. The bass player defended himself by saying he "does not recall" the story beyond reading it, and also admits that he doesn't remember a lot of his interviews for the book. Neil recounts the story in further detail in the band's autobiography The Dirt: Confessions of the World's Most Notorious Rock Band. Pamela Anderson with Tommy Lee, who was later sentenced to jail for six months after he assaulted her. "The most painful part of the film is my relationship with my mother and how I could never mend that," Sixx told Forbes. Viewing All | Doug Thaler. The Dirt shows Motley Crue fighting during their first concert, and though this is played largely for laughs and depicted as a fair-ish "band vs. hostile crowd" fight, it lays some groundwork for the fact that the band doesn't hesitate to throw a punch apart from Mick Mars, who remains onstage with his guitar. Also, they didn't sign with Zutaut after speaking with him for less than sixty seconds at a bar. John Mulaney Teases Netflix Special 'Coming Soon'. In the movie: The Dirt essentially ends about two-thirds into the book. And she was wearing a leopard-skin bikini. Over sushi, a tearful Tommy tells him that hes out of the band. Have children draw the pattern of veins in a lettuce leaf. Editors picks If you've read Thaler's previous book, Nudge, you know he's an economist who studies why . 6. "Sixx says that the band didn't have anyone to steer them in the right direction. Home. Lee was briefly engaged to a woman named Honey. View details Hide details. 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